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  • in reply to: Black Bean Cure for Gout #5902
    Gary S
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    I forgot to add that I drink the whole thing over a hour or so. I read that someone suggested drinking it daily like a cup of coffee. I would be interested in how well this works.

    in reply to: Black Bean Cure for Gout #5901
    Gary S
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    GoutPal said:

    Who else has tried the now famous metamorph brew? Over 1700 visitors have read this Natural Remedy For Gout so far!

    I have yet to try it, but I'd love to hear other people's results.


    My last attack was in March. Whenever I start feeling twinges in my toes I make a batch. I can't say with certainty that BBB has kept an attack at bay but it seems to work. Because it tastes yucky I only use it when I'm feeling substantial twinges so I haven't used it for about two months. Could be the warmer weather has helped as I've heard attacks are more prevelant in colder months. Weather is starting to turn colder here so time will tell.

    My daily anti-gout routine is about 6 oz of Black Cherry Juice with a tablespoon of Apple Cider Vinegar twice a day. That and I have reduced my meat intake but not eliminated it altogether.

    My last uric acid test near the end of July was 7.5. Despite this high level I haven't had an attack. Could be the Cherry Juice and ACV. Or maybe I'm just lucky.

    in reply to: My First Intervention; NEED ADVICE #4493
    Gary S
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    GoutPal said:

    Hi Gary,

    Before any of the measures you have mentioned, the most important thing is to know your uric acid levels. There are hundreds of ways of reducing inflammation and minimizing pain, but none of that matters if uric acid levels are high. You risk more long term damage from uric acid crystals by focusing on pain relief – the crystals can still build up slowly even when pain is minimized.

    Whilst using PRAL values to controlling diet may well promote a healthier body, success depends on  balancing nutrients, not just aiming for the lowest PRAL value. 25-30% of food intake should be positive PRAL, and variety ensures the best mix of all nutrients. PRAL values have absolutely nothing to do with uric acid. There is a chance that higher pH values can make uric acid more soluble, but any effect is likely to be minimal. There are many vegetarians with gout.

    All gout therapies must start with measuring uric acid. You can then use whatever methods you choose (medication, diet, alternative) to try and control it, but only your uric acid value can tell you if those methods are working.


    Good point. I still have a lot to learn. I have noticed that for me if I eat a lot of protein I start to get twinges in my toes. I can pretty much make them go away by avoiding protein and doing the cherry juice, acv, and black bean broth thing. I'll see how well my theory holds because I've eaten a lot of protein the last few days and I'm getting twinges in my toes. Tomorrow it's black bean broth, and more cherry juice and acv plus no protein. I should get my uric acid level tested again and probably get a UA test kit and monitor it. To be honest I don't relish the thought of sticking myself with a needle. Is there any correlation between uric acid in the blood and the PH of urine? It's a lot easier to pee on a strip of paper. The upside is I'm loosing weight which I have needed to do for a long time.

    in reply to: My First Intervention; NEED ADVICE #4488
    Gary S
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    I had my first gout attack on New Years Eve day. Big toe of right foot. Lasted two or three weeks. Very painful. I didn't pay close attention. Took Indomethacin for swelling and inflammation. I don't like to take drugs so I stopped taking that as soon as the pain had subsided. When I was back to normal I continued on as I had before in terms of diet. Probably went overboard with eating chicken and carnitas. Not intentionally but it just worked out that way over about a 14 day period. Big mistake. I got another attack only this time in big toe of both feet. Even more painful than the first attack. Tried Black Cherry Juice, ACV (Apple Cider Vinegar), and black bean broth. Didn't seem to help much. Started using what I had left of the Indomethacin. That helped and fortunately the pain was mostly gone when I ran out. Since then I have been watching my diet closely. I never was much of a red meat eater. Mostly chicken, some fish (Salmon) and occasional pork. I ate a lot of beans which I rarely eat now.

    Now I'm a firm believer in monitoring the PRAL levels of what I eat. I have some computer programming skills so I downloaded the US FDA nutrient database and wrote a program that computed the PRAL value for all the foods where the required nutrients were listed. Then I enhanced it so I can enter what I eat during the day and compute the PRAL level. My goal is always to keep it as far on the negative side as possible for the day. I still occasionally eat small quantities of chicken and I had Salmon twice this week. But I balance it with lots of food with negative PRAL values. I also drink Black Cherry Juice with 1 Tbs of ACV at least once a day, usually twice or sometimes V8 juice in place of the cherry juice. And whenever I start to feel a twinge of pain in my toes I drink a batch of black bean broth. After having two attacks pretty much back to back this regimen has kept me pretty much pain free. While I suspect there was some permanent damage done to my joints in the big toes I can live with it.

    So what does my story mean for you? Become a vegetarian. If that’s two big a change of lifestyle for you as it would be for me then start by building your daily diet around negative value PRAL foods using the tables elsewhere on this website. Try and keep your total PRAL value for the day as much to the negative side as possible. Try a Black Cherry Juice regimen with optional ACV. Drink black bean broth at least once a week. Do this for at least a couple of months and see if it helps.

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