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GoutPal said:
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To get any meaningful control over gout, you MUST control uric acid first. Whether you exercise control through drugs, diet or a combination, pain is secondary to uric acid control.
After more than 25 years of living according to zip2play's recipe: “…once you have laid down crystals you will never get the point where your body can handle a serum supersaturated with uric acid. Thus, once you have gout you can never return to non-goutedness
. Yes it is human nature to avoid a lifetime of drugs…denial is very much a part of humanity but gout has a way of making the eventual path CRYSTAL
clear.” … I can assure you, neither GP nor zip2play could be MORE RIGHT.Hans
zip2play said:
(Boy it's a good thing I do not Unzip2Play!
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Lucky me!
No need to Unzip2Play! My birthday suit doesn't have any zippers to zip or unzip. My house is a hot-house with temps around 80+ all day.One more morsel of info which requires a new link for detailed explanation
I have started “Sun Gazing” (now up to 12 minutes) which eventually should/will/might lead me to the point where food won't be required anymore, thus NO purine production (from food that is.)
New Mexico and shape and location of my house is the perfect place for it.
Hans
zip2play said:
Gonna have to borrow some from Zip8Play I guess.
Well, since I didn't have Zip8Play around to borrow from, I borrowed a few colchicines (~30) from my friend Terry who has oodles (he got a good NM state insurance) until I see my doctor on Friday for some Probenecids (Benuryl in Canada.)
Since I started my “Gout Management” about 2 1/2 weeks ago I have the first good and not-so-good news.
Here is what I am doing rat now:
2 colchincines a day, no beer, (only 6-8 oz half wine, half {1/2% alcohol} mead with dinner, 1 oz tart cherry juice (Montmorency cherries) a day, 3 Uric Acid Balance capsules ( a Chinese herbal concoction of Milk Thistle Extract, Radix Curcumae, Garlic, Semen Cassiae, Radix Bupleurum, & Cynara Scolymus L.-Can provide more details if requested,) reduced intake/amounts of red meat and purine-rich vegies (like mushrooms, cauliflower) and once a week (Saturdays PM after I get out of my sauna (45 minutes ea. time) SUA check with kit from England.
And here are the results:
1) 12/26/09 SUA: 8.2 mg/dl
2) 01/02/10 ” : 7.2 ”
3) 12/6/09 to now: reduction of swelling of right foot
4) 12/29/09: Increased pain in both feet ankles
and both knees (now gone)5) 12/30/09 – 1/2/10: In bed for three days. Excruciating pain
(like tourniquets around my ankles of both feet) Only transportation on CRUTCHES (still today) Pain is manageable now (took 1 Naproxen at height of pain)I have been out of commission (NO sailing
, NO walking, NO nothing
) for more than 3 months now ( I may have mentioned this b/4) Oct./Nov. right hand; Nov/Jan. right foot; Dec./Jan. left foot, too.I hope that ALL that pain and suffering is worth it
; Lowering of my SUA??? as has been pointed out here in earlier comments.I'll report later, after I had a chance to experience the effects of Probenecid.
Hans in sunny New Mexico (10-20 at night and 35 – 45 during the day) (that is Fahrenheit, not centigrade)
GoutPal said:
… Zip4Play's colchicine dosage …
I'm pleased to see you've promoted zip2play. Long overdue, but I have to confess to schoolboy sniggering.
What will zip2play do for ZipafterPlay's dosage when Zip4Play's dosage runs out?
zip2play said:
Post edited 4:45 pm – January 3, 2010 by zip2play
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THe study strikes me as particularly weak depending on the participants remembering what they ate in the last two years???? I wouldn't draw too much from it. (How many times have you eaten peas in the last two years?:D:D:D
That study is more than weak. Look at their criteria for gout: (more than one attack of acute arthritis, maximal inflammation developing within one day, attack of oligoarthritis, redness observed over joints, painful or swollen first metatarsophalangeal joint, unilateral attack in first metatarsophalangeal joint, unilateral attack in tarsal joint, tophus, hyperuricemia, asymmetric swelling within a joint, and complete termination of an attack).13
They totally neglected one, if not the most important, criteria for gout: Heredity!
As “WE HERE” all know, daddy's, granddaddy's, and any other ancestor's so freely to us donated genes, with gout included, has 50%, more or less, a bearing on our metabolism and its consequential involvement on dealing/creating/eliminating purines/uric acid, Mother Nature's powerful paddle to keep the tree of arrogance of some of us from growing too far into heaven (which, unfortunately or fortunately, does only exist in the figment of our imagination.)
Not one of the researchers asked the question:
How come that some men can eat ALL the high-purine foods they can get their hands on and drink ALL the alcohol theirs tummies and brains can absorb without ever getting gout, while others only have to look at those and their big toe screams: OUCH!!!
I hope that all those RESEARCHERS got a big “Attaboy!” from their bosses and research facilities for losing/spending a few #'s/£’s on their way to the Forum (Fame.)
BartMan said:
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So anyone else tried the self surgery method…?!?
BartMan, yeah, you got company in your boat. I had first a friend doing the needle poking trick, but then I did it myself for several days on my right index finger, ( after a couple of weeks of not even been able to hold a piece of paper between thumb and index finger. Whole right hand was out of commission for more than 4 weeks, swollen like a balloon with 4 out of 5 fingers in pain, having joined The Untouchables.) I'll get you a photo, vegieGuy, of what my finger looks like today
To put your minds at rest, vegieGuy and zip, my gas stove does a beautiful job of disinfecting a needle, almost as good as UT.
I performed a second brain-surgical job on my gouty right foot bunion a week ago, which is now bigger than when it was first surgically removed 15 years ago. Only problem: Brain was lacking. Didn't have BartMan's brain to pock two holes into the accumulation of diamonds, I mean, uric acid crystals. But Mother Nature, smarter than I, came to my rescue. She only needed ONE hole to squeeze the 'tiny white maggots' out in droves.
And again guys no worry, so far no infection. I got one of Mother Nature's own antiseptic concoction, engineered by me: a volcanic ckay (Ca Bentonite=Montmorillonite [this is another can of worms, I better not open here]), grapeseed oil, and dist. water. This paste keeps the bugs out and the maggots in till I let them out again during the day time.
Short interruption: I just removed pad with paste and the photos should show Mother Nature's power at work.
GP, how can I get a photo on here?
