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Is this because being highly fluidic- it fools the body into thinking it is getting mega doses of good 'ol H2O- and instead gets a dose of alcohol which severely inhibits UA excretion, by default.
De-hydration ensues. Followed by Gout! There doesn't need to be a lot of purines in the drink.
I know some people report 'this' or 'that' beer doesn't cause the problem- but other co- factors could easily intervene here.
On the 'cusp' of an attack, extra chemicals added or missing from a particular bevvy, could well 'tip the balance' against the unwary imbiber! The liver is being totally distracted and the kidneys well overworked by the assocated diuresis.
Real Ale, which I love btw, is particularly bad – especially if mixed, one with another.
This is often the way with ale enthusiasts…
Cheers!……
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I also think that dehdration is at the core of beer's gout indicing properties.
But then I'm always thown by the fact that I find spirits FAR less offensive…and I consume a LOT more alcohol when I am doing Martinis and Manhattans which never seem to bother me.
But my second month-long bout with too much beer in Nov.- Dec. actually raised my second finger tophus…albeit without pain unless I press on it. A teeny little f&*ker but a f&*ker nevertheless.
(I'll photograph it when I get ambitious.)
There is something differently special about beer besides alcohol content and it's not the purine level because it is not that high? For me it remains a mystery.
trev,
If you get the urge some day why not test your SUA before and after about 10 hearty ales?
Zip- You gotta be jesting
On my current program I have got to be virtually TT. The last time I went dry for 4 weeks and my buddy hauled me out for Beers,Rum and Curry at 2am I got a blaster of Gout.
My last. maybe forever. Grrrr.
Beer- nice thought- but I will default to the wine only- in easy stages. I have some Cherry Liquer 15% which keeps in the bottle [thus resisting the finishing push] and that will be the 'official medicine' -as I carry through the Meister Plan!
Since I'm teetoalling from Jan. 1 to April 1 (as I do every year) and don't have a tester I am out of the running.
We gotta find somebody with a tester willing to do the 10 can of beer uric acid test! I always have felt that “the proof of the pudding is INDEED in the eating.”
Let's have some volunteers guys! Science NEEDS you!
Either that or God's particular drink is a dirty Beefeater Martini (1 olive/3 onions.) THAT'S what he really did on the Seventh Day…about 6 of them!
Yes Zip!, we need a volunteer with a UAsure or Kernel to do some tests,- before and after.
Being realistic, this is unlikely to happen, at least soon, but nothing wrong with a wish list!
It would be particularly interesting to see if Lager has a better 'beer' profile in this ,too-being low in sugar residues after brewing.
To round it off- if wine and spirit drinkers want to chip in- all the merrier!
But ALE is the one in the dock for me, from experience and 'read ups' on it.
Cheers!
trev said:
Yes Zip!, we need a volunteer with a UAsure or Kernel to do some tests,- before and after.
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Guys, you have a pigeon. I got a UAsure and, as you know, I also brew (>28 years) my own beer (not from scratch, but buying the malt) and make my own wine (>7 years, using kits) and make mead (>5 years, from 1/2% to 7%.) However, you got to hold your horses for a little while till my dog Hunzee gets the herd of rather unruly beasts under control.
I still am not certain, am not convinced, am not informed enough about the true effects, relationships, involvement of alcohol, purines in beer, various beer yeasts, sugars (like cane sugar vs. corn sugar) and other chemicals in beer and/or wine.
Facts: As I also have said before, I was raised on alcohol, beer, hard cider, and wine. No hard liquor, even though my dad made Schnapps (generally around 102 proof=51%) Only had sips, was to potent for me THEN. Didn't get into hard liquor until I got to the States (at 26): Brandy, gin, whiskey, rum, and liqueurs (B&B, Amaretto, Benedictine) basically. In later years (30 some years ago) vodka and tequila was added to my staple.
Now, with these facts pointed out, I have lived until 1984 (I was >53 years old/young or whatever) till the first gout attack hit me (after I kicked my right big toe on a rock while camping and dropped a box on the same foot during that trip.) Since then I have had an attack every 14-16 months regularly for more than 15 years when they started to become more frequent, even though I was on meds. (Colchicine, Probenecid, and 1x on Allopurinol) My UA levels were generally around 8-10, except after being on Probenecid for 9 months (down to 4.4)
During all those years (>25 years) I drank all that stuff I mentioned earlier. ( I DID keep it under control, since I liked it too much to become an alcoholic. I just remained a booze hound) I kept on eating steaks, like porterhouse, NY steaks, fillet Mignon, till they became too expensive for my taste (that is my pocket book); never the less, I kept on eating red meat, slightly less red meat(like pork, and chicken,) and fish like trout (used to catch them myself when I lived in OR and WA), salmon, herring, all that good stuff which makes life worth living. I even had the arrogance to tell my doctors that I wasn't going to change my life style just to prove them right. Besides, they didn't know what they were doing, just guessing And, rather than letting them using me as a guinea pig, I preferred to do it myself.
Duck soup! Boy, was I successful! To the point that Mother Nature got envious of me and said: “That's IT” I am going to make you work for your living ( what you called: life worth living.) And I have been working for it, actually, more slaving for it than I bargained for. I still am!!!
Is anybody out there who envies me? Have at it! Or pities me? Don't!!! What ever you do, DON'T follow my foot steps.
Hans in New Mexico, happily retired, unhappily living from day to day, rat now.
Okay pigeon, whenever you get around to it a good approach might be to measure your uric acid after a day oif normal to light eating, then have another day of lighter eating and add to it 10 cans of brew.
Measure uric acid the next day and compare the two. We will be able to point to your exemplary experimental work the every time the topic comes up.
Perhaps submit your results to JAMA. (I've seen less substantial reporting.
)The reasoon I said eat light is that for D-Day you are adding about 1600 extra calories and it won't FIT with heavy eating.
zip2play said:
… and add to it 10 cans of brew.
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Zip, I don't think I can measure up to your expectation. Even when I belonged to one of those beer-drinking fraternities in Germany (for barely 6 months b/4 I had it up to here) was I able to drink that much. 10 cans/bottles is about one gallon and that is beyond my belly's capacity. I am only 5-8 and 165#'s.
GP, you just added an other day to my life. Thanks for the laugh you gave me. I am referring to your post which follows this one (I just made use of the empty post from yesterday, since I didn't know how to get rid of it.
hansinnm said:
zip2play said:
… and add to it 10 cans of brew.
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Zip, I don't think I can measure up to your expectation. Even when I belonged to one of those beer-drinking fraternities in Germany (for barely 6 months b/4 I had it up to here) was I able to drink that much. 10 cans/bottles is about one gallon and that is beyond my belly's capacity. I am only 5-8 and 165#'s.
Capacity is no problem for me
, but doesn't this involve digit pricking?I struggle to get the key in the door after a session. Who knows what might happen with a drunken prick!!
zip2play said:
Okay pigeon, whenever you get around to it a good approach might be to measure your uric acid after a day oif normal to light eating, then have another day of lighter eating and add to it 10 cans of brew.
Measure uric acid the next day and compare the two. We will be able to point to your exemplary experimental work the every time the topic comes up.
Perhaps submit your results to JAMA. (I've seen less substantial reporting.
)The reasoon I said eat light is that for D-Day you are adding about 1600 extra calories and it won't FIT with heavy eating.
Here we go, zip2play. I am starting a new topic: Uric Acid levels, Diet, Beer – Your Guinea Pig Pigeon test
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